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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 14:26:43 GMT
Let me ask you this: Whats your problem with sheeps? They are so cute
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Post by selesnia on Nov 24, 2015 14:32:05 GMT
Because it makes people stupid and dumb. Makes them not their own person but just follow.
Let me ask you this: If someone jumps of a bridge will you jump too? (Not to save him just to jump to die)
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 15:24:23 GMT
I think I explained why I like HB better... so this bridge-thing is a little bit unfair, i think. I didnt asked you, if you would jump cause nobody else did
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Post by selesnia on Nov 24, 2015 15:39:53 GMT
Well you asked me what is wrong with sheep so I gave you the answer and example with the bridge thing.
And you didn't give a clear reason. I could only find these: 1 Because top tier players in arena have it. 2 Rebirth-recyclers are annoying, but the further you progress into the game, boardcontrol becomes more and more important. So a recycler coming back in 3 turns can mean you already lost the game till then. You want you recycler on the field as much as possible and not in your hand. For that HBs immu7 is plain better. My rec-HB has 16XXhp with runes btw
Which both I can easily lay down and use against you.
1 is the sheep story. 2 board controle is nice and needed yes. But a HB recycle is wiped off it easily with an Anathema it is hilarious. While harbringer can bring things back and if he dies has a chance to come back again. So it can get back in the board = more board controle = recycles more creature = more creature on the board. And that can happen alot more then 1x.
Why I started to discuss this is because you say it like HB is a matter of fact recycle meld. While alot of people use Light Braves and Harbringers and Sword Masters and what not. That all work. I don't say HB is wrong but there are more options and opinions about it. And overall I think a rebirth recycler is more annoying then just a recycler that might have a chance to dodge... If you get what I mean.
I hope I didn't offend you but that is how I see it.
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 15:55:12 GMT
Dont worry, we are just talking about this topic. Everything is fine!
I think i said all the time thats it is much about personal opinion and only talked about that top10 because sb argued that top3 arena was only archievebly with RecLB for him.
And besides that boardcontrol part, I also made a list of skills HB can counter, because bullseye is not the only skill ingame! I think thats not just followong the herd...
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Post by taas on Nov 24, 2015 15:59:17 GMT
Coclusion: use two recyclers, one HB and one another (for me it's swordmaster)
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Post by ThalionPIR on Nov 24, 2015 16:50:40 GMT
He is annoying you never know if you fully killed him yet or comes back and then back again. Disposal. + there is solutions to increase HB's survavibility: skill (Undying) talents (Aura/dodge), runes (HP rune and immunity rune) and faen synergy (Heal+elven salve). It's harder to give some immunity to LB. + LB and Harbringer aren't farmable, and I prefer instakill/disposal on them
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Post by selesnia on Nov 24, 2015 17:39:13 GMT
He is annoying you never know if you fully killed him yet or comes back and then back again. Disposal. + there is solutions to increase HB's survavibility: skill (Undying) talents (Aura/dodge), runes (HP rune and immunity rune) and faen synergy (Heal+elven salve). It's harder to give some immunity to LB. + LB and Harbringer aren't farmable, and I prefer instakill/disposal on them
We are talking here about a HB with a recycle abbility already so he doesn't have Undying. (Also not from wight because you will play HB recycle in Fean team forms because otherwise he isn't supported enough) Also I know how to build a deck around things. I'm a long time strategist in any game so I know how to build a synergy deck or team. But even then HB overall just sucks imo.
Also I only have like 2 instakills and I don't even have a disposal. I got very bad luck in draw or anything related to it.
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Post by Unknøwn on Nov 24, 2015 18:46:53 GMT
He is annoying you never know if you fully killed him yet or comes back and then back again. Disposal. + there is solutions to increase HB's survavibility: skill (Undying) talents (Aura/dodge), runes (HP rune and immunity rune) and faen synergy (Heal+elven salve). It's harder to give some immunity to LB. + LB and Harbringer aren't farmable, and I prefer instakill/disposal on them
i think you're talking abour hero skills.. Which we arent. But the other seems to bot understand the fact that i stated my OWN personal opinon which he seems to think of as a "religion" yet he preaches and preaches. Anyways, the comment he made to the moderator shall not be tolerated as we do not accept that here. (:
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 19:57:20 GMT
Disposal. + there is solutions to increase HB's survavibility: skill (Undying) talents (Aura/dodge), runes (HP rune and immunity rune) and faen synergy (Heal+elven salve). It's harder to give some immunity to LB. + LB and Harbringer aren't farmable, and I prefer instakill/disposal on them
We are talking here about a HB with a recycle abbility already so he doesn't have Undying. (Also not from wight because you will play HB recycle in Fean team forms because otherwise he isn't supported enough) Also I know how to build a deck around things. I'm a long time strategist in any game so I know how to build a synergy deck or team. But even then HB overall just sucks imo.
Also I only have like 2 instakills and I don't even have a disposal. I got very bad luck in draw or anything related to it.
In wight you usually only play around 5 mortii. Rest will be rainbow, so HB and everything works
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Post by selesnia on Nov 24, 2015 20:03:15 GMT
We are talking here about a HB with a recycle abbility already so he doesn't have Undying. (Also not from wight because you will play HB recycle in Fean team forms because otherwise he isn't supported enough) Also I know how to build a deck around things. I'm a long time strategist in any game so I know how to build a synergy deck or team. But even then HB overall just sucks imo.
Also I only have like 2 instakills and I don't even have a disposal. I got very bad luck in draw or anything related to it.
In wight you usually only play around 5 mortii. Rest will be rainbow, so HB and everything works
That is not what I'm saying. HB overall is squishy point. Do you really want to build around him. You need a Fean Hero who can support with agile + hp buff and maybe a heal or idk what. With Fean that have good synergy with him. Aka hp buffs / healers maybe some that give attack. That may have ability to lock down with ice or the chain thingy. Otherwise he would be death meat
So yeah you can play him in a wight deck, but he is overall more supported and build well in a Fean Deck imo.
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 20:06:05 GMT
Disposal. + there is solutions to increase HB's survavibility: skill (Undying) talents (Aura/dodge), runes (HP rune and immunity rune) and faen synergy (Heal+elven salve). It's harder to give some immunity to LB. + LB and Harbringer aren't farmable, and I prefer instakill/disposal on them
i think you're talking abour hero skills.. Which we arent. But the other seems to bot understand the fact that i stated my OWN personal opinon which he seems to think of as a "religion" yet he preaches and preaches. Anyways, the comment he made to the moderator shall not be tolerated as we do not accept that here. (: 1. Why is he not allowed to talk about heroskills affecting the effectivness of crestures? 2. It was not your opinion a wanted to call religious. It is the HB/LB discussion: Each sides believes the own opinion is right. And even if one side would be right and the others is not, it will be impossible to convince the other side! We can just talk about it. 3. Given the fact that you got me wrong in terms of fact 2. I dont talk about you calling my argumentation 'preaching'
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 20:43:24 GMT
In wight you usually only play around 5 mortii. Rest will be rainbow, so HB and everything works
That is not what I'm saying. HB overall is squishy point. Do you really want to build around him. You need a Fean Hero who can support with agile + hp buff and maybe a heal or idk what. With Fean that have good synergy with him. Aka hp buffs / healers maybe some that give attack. That may have ability to lock down with ice or the chain thingy. Otherwise he would be death meat
So yeah you can play him in a wight deck, but he is overall more supported and build well in a Fean Deck imo.
Fean are usually better supported by fean-decks right, but wait...what??? You are calling a HB squishy? That creature with heal, dodge AND immunity? What comes next? Fifnir? Mimir's? DragonLord? They can also be 2shotted by anathema and not to forget that 20% chance to get instakilled... Sorry, thats just idk...
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Post by selesnia on Nov 24, 2015 21:17:23 GMT
Yes HB is squishy. Squishy as hell. I killed him in 1 shot alot of times against others. And now they where not low lvls they where high lvl players runes ect all the shizzles and glitters on it. I can so easily kill him it is hilarious. Why do you think I have a reason to hate HB with recycle and don't play that or even think about getting that?
Also if you start naming creatures. Fafnir already has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10 Mirmir's Tree has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10 Dragon Lord has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10
1 That is they all have around or more then 1.3k unlvled while HB doesn't even have 1k lvled. 2 Lvled they get even more. 3 You can build a support deck around HB but if you do the same for any of those they will still benefit more from it. 4 Runes brings them even more uptown not to mention if you have a hero to fit with them. 5 Like said dodge and immunity are easy to go against. There are enough creatures that can poke through it even and 1 shot it. Like you said your HB is 16xx I got a micheal he will eat it. But the ones you called will be 2 shotted then. If with Anathema it will be 3-4 shotted on the creatures you called. They got more HP ect ect ect.
There are so many factors to keep in mind.
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Post by bemyservant on Nov 24, 2015 22:32:55 GMT
Yes HB is squishy. Squishy as hell. I killed him in 1 shot alot of times against others. And now they where not low lvls they where high lvl players runes ect all the shizzles and glitters on it. I can so easily kill him it is hilarious. Why do you think I have a reason to hate HB with recycle and don't play that or even think about getting that? Also if you start naming creatures. Fafnir already has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10 Mirmir's Tree has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10 Dragon Lord has more HP as lvl 0 then HB has on lvl 10 1 That is they all have around or more then 1.3k unlvled while HB doesn't even have 1k lvled. 2 Lvled they get even more. 3 You can build a support deck around HB but if you do the same for any of those they will still benefit more from it. 4 Runes brings them even more uptown not to mention if you have a hero to fit with them. 5 Like said dodge and immunity are easy to go against. There are enough creatures that can poke through it even and 1 shot it. Like you said your HB is 16xx I got a micheal he will eat it. But the ones you called will be 2 shotted then. If with Anathema it will be 3-4 shotted on the creatures you called. They got more HP ect ect ect. There are so many factors to keep in mind. I also 1shot them a lot of times. And also even more often had them in front of me and couldnt get them off the board. That doesnt make a creature squishy or tanky! 1. Sure they have. They are 5*stars which take probably 3 months to collect enough to meld sth on. Wasnt it obvious that this was probably a little bit exaggerated? 2. Sure they have. They are 5*stars which take probably 3 months to collect enough to meld sth on. Wasnt it obvious that this was probably a little bit exaggerated? 3. Why should I build a Deck supporting my supporter? 4. Not really, if you can get a creature out of 1- or 2-shot-range, thats more worthy than briging them out of 4 shot range, but again: They are 5*stars which take probably 3 months to collect enough to meld sth on. Wasnt it obvious that this was probably a little bit exaggerated? 5. Yes, there are some specific creatures that can counter it, as there are counters for ANY other creature in the game. Some have more counters, some have less. HB has less. This game is about probability and a creature with 2 1/2 defence skills will survive more situations than a creature that has none or only 1. You seem to face 5 anathema+5 Michael-Decks all the time. If I follow you, all defence-skills are completely useless and only max hp counts...ah not even that as you have michael! Sorry, but I cant participate in that any longer. We can talk about LB or HB beeing a better recycle-carrier or other topics till the end of days, but if you tell me a HB is squishy because bullseye crits counter it, i see no sense in continueing... Thats really no offence. But if you really think defence skills are useless, there is just nothing I can add to my argumentation. Nevertheless May the cards be with you BeMyServant
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